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Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 00:30:00 -
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It's a well-written apology.
The question is whether or not you can be believed. People don't change overnight, and to be honest this comes across as similar to the "boy who cried wolf" tale...even if you're sincere, nobody believes you anymore.
Actions are much louder than words. We will see whether or not this has been a paradigm-altering event and a hint at future behaviour to come, or just the meaningless ramblings of an e-Politician.
History is not on your side, however. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 01:14:00 -
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Bit of an interesting point now: if he doesn't resign (believing himself to be fit for purpose) he becomes a liar (having already said he's stepping down) which could potentially make people see him as being unfit for purpose.
Curiouser and curiouser. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:08:00 -
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Odd how many people are saying "this apology is enough" when without any action showing that the apology is sincere it's meaningless.
He said he'd step down. If he's a man of his word (as he clearly wants us all to believe, based on the original post) he will.
If not...I assume there'll be a whole new uprising of people wanting to crucify him for it.
I must admit...the anticipation of his next move is killing me. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:20:00 -
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L00B wrote:Also, where where all you fuckheads BEFORE the apology? I mean, like, there's no way that the EBIL MITTTENS realized that he wasn't proud of something that transpired before you morons figured it out? Cuz, that would be like... so obvious that it doesn't matter what the man does, and ya'll are just the Eve equivalent of the "Party of NO". ...did you miss the 94+-page thread that came about before this one? |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 02:48:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) It's seemed to me in my whole 12 hours of forum experience that that's the status quo. "If I shout it loud enough, it'll become the truth."
The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting:
Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0
I really hope CCP doesn't have to step in here (for business reasons or whatnot). I think it's important that The Mittani act of his own accord, and either step down or announce his intention to stay. In real-world politics we don't get to just replace our elected officials, but we definitely get to pressure them into action and if they refuse to take said action they don't get re-elected. This should be no different.
The social depth of this game is already making this noob very, very happy with his new gaming home. :) |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 03:13:00 -
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Powers Sa wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:Kitfox Mikakka wrote:Jade Constantine wrote:And as you are seeing from the responses of genuine independent eve players in this thread - its simply not acceptable. And you're completely ignoring every single independent eve player who's saying they support him and his apology. But that's no real surprise. You goons really aren't saying anything apart from "la la la I'm not listening la la la" (and putting your hands over your ears while reading out prepared memes somebody else made earlier.) It's seemed to me in my whole 12 hours of forum experience that that's the status quo. "If I shout it loud enough, it'll become the truth."
The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting: Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0I really hope CCP doesn't have to step in here (for business reasons or whatnot). I think it's important that The Mittani act of his own accord, and either step down or announce his intention to stay. In real-world politics we don't get to just replace our elected officials, but we definitely get to pressure them into action and if they refuse to take said action they don't get re-elected. This should be no different. The social depth of this game is already making this noob very, very happy with his new gaming home. :) Get out forum alt. Edit: parachute alts are disregarded. Post on your main. As I've posted several times through this whole thing (including in the very post you quoted) I'm a new player. Not an alt.
Not that it matters anyway. Who cares who says something? Isn't the content of the message what's important?
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Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:08:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote: The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting:
Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0
Clock still ticking... |
Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:36:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:@TheMittani Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.
Amity Lane wrote: The truth is, unfortunately, the one thing nobody is really confronting:
Resignations promised: 1 Resignations: 0
Well...how 'bout it? If you're stepping down, announce it. If not, announce that you aren't. Either way, you're just delaying the inevitable. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:53:00 -
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Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 04:58:00 -
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SmilingVagrant wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. You do realize he's just resigning the chair right? And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? Interesting how now it's just "resigning the chair", and not his CSM position.
I guess since he wasn't explicit earlier this isn't technically revisionism, but I think to pretty much everyone it was implied that he was going to be resigning his CSM position.
We've been lawyer'd, it seems. Interesting. |
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Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 05:38:00 -
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Wait...so now GoonSwarm are the victims?
This reminds me of when Harry Whittington apologized to **** Cheney after being shot in the face by him. |
Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:24:00 -
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Well, after the attitudes presented by the organization, the lack of the promised resignation, and this tasteful gem:
http://i.imgur.com/NEqxu.gif
I'm gonna go ahead and assume this is all a long con. This type of activity doesn't seem very apologetic to me. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 07:58:00 -
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Andski wrote:(snip) just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf (snip) Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:07:00 -
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David Cedarbridge wrote:Amity Lane wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Fact #1: The Mittani said he was going to resign.
Fact #2: The Mittani has not resigned.
Still waiting on an explanation here. You do realize he's just resigning the chair right? And that he can only do so on the suffrage of the other CSM members? Interesting how now it's just "resigning the chair", and not his CSM position. I guess since he wasn't explicit earlier this isn't technically revisionism, but I think to pretty much everyone it was implied that he was going to be resigning his CSM position. We've been lawyer'd, it seems. Interesting. No, like so much of what you and you ilk have been braying for this whole thread long (over what is essentially a non-issue blown out of proportion by gaming bloggers, certainly not a new concept if you are at all familiar with the way that gaming blogs work) you have created a vision of what YOU want to happen and then get disappointed when your vision doesn't come about. Yes, you still get to deal with the legally elected CSM Mittani and all of those terrible things that are going to make the game better for the rest of us that he is pushing. Face it, you and the rest of your hillariously misguided false rage club are upset that a second attempt at getting Mittens off the CSM roster is falling through. The election didn't work out for you, and here overblowing a non-event overblown already in some rather poor quality blogs (never was a fan of Massively or their like in the first place and their spotty coverage of this issue doesn't help improve their image with me either) in a ploy to push for resignation isn't going to work either. What's the next plan? Chase him with a team of photographers to catch him playing other games than EVE?
Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...
TL;DR.
But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=279#post401946037
But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.
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Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:11:00 -
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Gossamer DT wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Andski wrote:(snip) just a nice opportunity to make veiled complaints about the titan nerf (snip) Interesting how the only mention of Titan nerfs in any of these MittaniGate threads are in accusations such as this. well it's the only way we can defend such actions. I mean really..or it could be tinfoil hat time, or possible, wait for it, the trurth behind such delayed reactions to the Alliance panel 3 days ago. Occam's Razor would suggest otherwise. Is all this outcry a massive conspiracy of revenge against a game nerf, or is it actually because of the outrageous event they say it is?
The simplest answer tends to be the correct one.
Quote:hey are you a spy? I am just wondering, becase you seem to be hiding your real main and I can't figure out why. This is my main. I keep telling people this, but they refuse to believe that a new player could be this informed about the game...as if reading, listening to some E-UNI lectures, and watching the FanFest stream is hard. I'm done trying to convince people otherwise.
Besides, I lack the lying skill necessary to be a convincing spy and I don't really have the desire to be that kind of a player. I'm more of a "carebear", I think you guys call it. |
Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 08:18:00 -
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Berke Negri wrote:Amity Lane wrote: Sorry, I'd missed this one in the forum scroll. Anyway...
TL;DR.
But seriously, it wasn't just me. Even some of your own people thought he was going to be stepping down from his CSM position...to the point where his old lady had to explain otherwise:
snip
But it seems there's no arguing with any of you. I may be many things, but surprised is not one of them.
please don't bring attention to mittani's family for your own purposes I brought nothing that wasn't publicly available. I was not the first on this board to link to that thread, which is how I found it in the first place.
Out of respect towards your request, The Mittani and his family, I will refrain from doing so again in the future. |
Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 15:55:00 -
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Wow...this conversation has gotten way off-topic while I was sleeping. Reminder time?
What this controversy is not:
- Cyber-bullying
- Character assassination
- Revenge for game nerfs
- Anti-GoonSwarm sensationalism
- Election corruption
- A reason for you to pretend you're a psychologist
- Interesting anymore
What this controversy is:
- Whether or not a person in a position of power suggesting people break game rules (without breaking any himself in the process) is acceptable conduct
- Whether or not a person who said they'd resign from said position of power actually resigns
- Failscading into irrelevant drivel about suicide, bad press, faux legalese, TItans, carebears, and some guy who spends $345 a month to mine ice.
Consider that before you click the POST button on your next bit of "OMG MITTANI R MAEK ATTEMPTD MERDER" text-diarrrhea. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 16:19:00 -
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Skogen Gump wrote:Amity Lane wrote: 1. There's nothing in the TOS about telling people to break the rules. What The Mittani said is no different from saying something like "hey guys, you should start botting". He didn't actually harass anyone.
2. I was unaware there was some kind of Global Morality Code that decides what is moral and what is not. I guess I can move back to Israel now, 'cause that whole morality conflict is all sorted.
1) Arguable really, this section seems to cover it to me: 'You may not abuse, harass or threaten another player or authorized representative of CCP, including customer service personnel and volunteers.' He didn't "abuse, harass, or threaten" anyone. He suggested that other people do it, and gave the information necessary to do so. If I tell you where a knife is and suggest that you kill someone with it, am I a murderer?
Quote:2) So that makes it Ok? My point is that you can't use morality as a logical argument point. It varies form person to person and culture to culture. You can't just enforce your moral standpoint on other people because you think it's correct. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:22:00 -
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Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
Besides (as I keep reminding everyone) he hasn't actually broken any rules. There's no reason to ban him from a EULA/TOS perspective, no matter how acceptable his behaviour may or may not have been. |
Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.27 18:44:00 -
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Ai Shun wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Regardless of what may or may not happen in the future, I think we can all safely assume that The Mittani will not be banned for one very simple reason:
10,000 * $15 * 12 = $1,800,000
Unless CCP can comfortably assume that the negative PR (if any) of this incident will cost them more than this, there's no way they'll ban him. To do so would be an idiotic move from a business standpoint.
It is a fairly big assumption that each and every single Goon will quit the game if the Mittani is banned. Yes, it is. A pretty unrealistic one too.
However, that wasn't my point. The point is that from CCP's standpoint, it's a simple matter of weighing the potential financial impact of banning him against the potential impact of negative PR. The above is meant as a worst-case scenario...I would have assumed that much would be obvious. GoonSwarm may seem from an outside perspective to be a "hive mind" but I doubt that's actually the case (unless Mittani has been doing his own Third Wave Experiment or something).
All of this, of course, ignores the other point that I'd brought up in that post: Mittani didn't break any rules. As far as I know CCP hasn't codified CSM conduct, so to ban him would be setting a pretty nasty precedent. "You didn't actually break any of the rules you agreed to follow, but from our subjective standpoint we don't like what you did so we're banning you anyway." I'm not saying that isn't possible, but it definitely behooves them to draw a line somewhere so people know exactly what is and isn't "acceptable conduct". |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 20:15:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:Alex needs to HTFU and step down from the CSM like he originally said he would. Not try to weasel out of what he said he would do.
Goons need to HTFU and accept that he needs to step down and stop acting like babies. Well it would appear that the current suggestion of some Goons is that he "have his cake and eat it too" by stepping down from his CSM6 position, since technically CSM7 hasn't started yet. "That would actually be a pretty hilarious troll", they say. It's also apparently to "deal with nerds" like myself (they mentioned a post I had made bringing up the fact that he's offered to resign but has yet to do so).
There are far too many loopholes appearing for The Mittani to step through in order to keep his promise of resigning without actually resigning, and I would imagine he's aware of them. I predict that nothing is going to really change in regard to CSM7. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 22:51:00 -
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Adalun Dey wrote:Has anyone else noticed how quiet CCP is about this. One would think an investigation involving life footage with CCP employees standing watch would be rather easily concluded.
Regardless of the strings that might have been pulled to extract this apology, it seems this matter is closed now.
Sometimes silence is an answer.
Personally, I'd prefer that CCP don't get involved directly unless they have to. This is a community event about a community-elected official's conduct, so let the community sort it out. |
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Posted - 2012.03.27 23:10:00 -
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Adalun Dey wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Sometimes silence is an answer.
Personally, I'd prefer that CCP don't get involved directly unless they have to. This is a community event about a community-elected official's conduct, so let the community sort it out. If CCP claims to launch an investigation I would consider that to be rather direct involvement. It's the not following up and the sudden apology that makes me wonder the sincerity of it. From a logical standpoint, there's no reason to think the two are in any way related. There's no evidence that CCP is in any way behind this "apology".
From the language CCP used, I get the impression that their "investigation" is more to do with their own employee conduct. Notice how when Mittani starts the giving-out-the-name-to-be-harassed part, the CCP employee present tries to regain control of the situation? I bet they're investigating their own handling of the incident and how to prevent another "Mittanigate" in future FanFests, not anything regarding Mittani directly.
Purely speculation of course, but it seems logical to me.
Quote:I saw the footage a moment ago and though a line was crossed, it's probably not deserving of this level of drama either. Again, from a purely logical standpoint he broke no rules that I'm aware of. I'm trying to keep my own personal opinion out of my discussion(s) on this topic, since they're both irrelevant and potentially dangerous. I did go on record saying that I thought he should apologize though, which he has done. I doubt the sincerity of it, but the first thing I learned about this game and the people who play it is that you can trust absolutely no one at face value...and Mittani is already known to not be trustworthy. |
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:50:00 -
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Derrick Munroe wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Banjit Leelapun wrote:I don't think i have ever posted on these forums before, but i feel so strongly about this, and sorry, but i didn't read any of the BS above, but my 2 cents is this:
And i quote "except that I was so smashed that I didn't recall exactly what I said "
Then you sir are a danger to yourself and everyone around you. Intoxication of any kind is not an excuse, period.
Example: Damn, i ran over your child, well hell i was intoxicated, so should be able to get away with it :)
in short boot his ass ccp
Yay, I get to quote it for a third time. (Maybe eventually people will begin to actually read the apology instead of skimming and making assumptions) The Mittani wrote:There's no excuse for what I did - while some might try to use my inebriation as a mitigating factor, I put myself in that compromised mental state, and the guilt of that is entirely mine. See that? In case you don't understand the big words, inebriation means drunkenness. In the above quote which apparently nobody bothers to read, Mittens states that he accepts full responsibility despite the fact that he was extremely intoxicated. He's not using it as an excuse, in other words. He also said he would step down from CSM. Still waiting. This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter. This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard? |
Amity Lane
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Posted - 2012.03.28 00:58:00 -
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Derrick Munroe wrote:Quote:Derrick Munroe wrote:Amity Lane wrote:
He also said he would step down from CSM.
Still waiting.
This may come as a surprise, but Twitter is, in fact, not a legally binding contract. Whatever he says on Twitter, he isn't required to act upon, follow through on, or anything. Does it hurt his credibility? Yeah, it does. But don't expect him to follow through on something he stated on Twitter. This forum thread isn't a legally binding contract either, but we're supposed to accept his apology at face value. Why would his Twitter post be held to a different standard? I'm sorry, point me to where I said his apology was a contract? I'm confused. Did you not read carefully?
You said that since his Twitter post was not a contract, we shouldn't expect anything from him as a result of it. I pointed out that this thread/apology isn't a contract either yet we are expected to accept it, so why would the Twitter post be any different.
I'm genuinely confused by your reply. I never said you stated his apology was a contract, only illustrated that if we're to take this apology at face value then we should be able to take his Twitter post at face value as well. |
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Posted - 2012.03.28 01:16:00 -
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Derrick Munroe wrote:Amity Lane wrote: I'm confused. Did you not read carefully?
You said that since his Twitter post was not a contract, we shouldn't expect anything form him as a result of it. I pointed out that this thread/apology isn't a contract either yet we are expected to accept it, so why would the Twitter post be any different.
I'm genuinely confused by your reply. I never said you stated his apology was a contract, only illustrated that if we're to take this apology at face value then we should be able to take his Twitter post at face value as well.
I think the key difference in thinking here is that, from my perspective anyway, nobody's expecting you to accept his apology. Well I think Mittani is, and judging by several of their posts over the last day or so many GSF members and other assorted Mittani supporters do. That is of course speculative...I'm no mind-reader.
Quote: Then again, my personal opinion is that this should've been a private apology, not a 140-page threadnaught on the eve-o forums.
]In his apology, Mittani makes no promises to do anything, he simply fesses up to what we can all say was a major slip-up.
I respectfully disagree, as to me the issue isn't that he ganked a down-on-his-luck miner but that he encouraged breaking of game rules, which is more of a community thing. Either way, I don't think his apology has done or could do any harm at least.
"We all" can't say that. It's subjective. Many people in these threads still maintain he's done nothing wrong. I'm of mixed feelings, depending on if I go with my logical side ("he's technically broken no rules") or my personal side ("encouraging harassment isn't very friendly"). I'll never use my personal feelings to sway a discussion such as this if I can help it, though.
Quote:On his Twitter post, he mentioned a 3-step plan that he formulated and posted while still on the plane back from Iceland, and is being expected to live up to it. I personally don't see much of a difference between the two forums. They're both public statements made by him. Sure, he may have made one hastily and without foresight, but it's still there. As you yourself admitted, failing to follow through would hurt his credibility.
Quote:I don't see either as a legally-binding contract but an apology doesn't need to be a contract to be an apology. My $0.02.
A promise doesn't need to be a contract to be a promise either. In fact, promises can be considered contracts at times (though from what I understand that's one of the fuzziest possible legal scenarios and I don't put much stock in the whole "verbal contract" thing).
Just adding my two agorot to your pennies. Eventually we'll be able to buy a stamp. |
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:35:00 -
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Wow.
So, we've given up all pretense of actually discussing the topic at hand and degenerated to finger-pointing and name-calling, eh?
Keep shouting...if you're loud enough, someone will have to listen to you, right? |
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Posted - 2012.03.28 04:45:00 -
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RougeOperator wrote:You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI. I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand.
Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue. |
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:05:00 -
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Derrick Munroe wrote:Kallynda Nai wrote:Find him in game and gank him repeatedly. Does nobody understand that this is what Mittani implied? When suicide ganked, The Wis made mention of suicidal thoughts. By making said reference, although in extremely bad taste, Mittani was essentially telling people to find and gank The Wis. If he was telling people to evemail and convo spam him, he wouldnt've said "Find him", yeah? Well, it's ambiguous. "Find him" could just as easily mean to search for his character name.
Given enough time and enough people analyzing the same bit of text, you'll come up with all sorts of different "intentions" and "meanings" behind it. Just look at the Supreme Court and the Constitution, or pretty much every religious institution and their corresponding doctrine.
The one thing that was missing from his statements was any mention of the word "gank". His exact words:
Quote:Uh, incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is "The Wis". It's t-h-e space w-i-s. Not with a "z". "The Wis". He has his own corp. Find him.
It seems to me that this is an encouragement to harass The Wis. Whether via ganking or messaging is not made clear. It could be either, or both. The only person who knows for certain is the Drunk Mittani circa a few days ago, and he was killed when he sobered up the following morning. |
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Posted - 2012.03.28 06:20:00 -
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Lexmana wrote:Amity Lane wrote:Well, it's ambiguous. "Find him" could just as easily mean to search for his character name. If I say I want to kill The Mittani because he ganked my hulk you mean it could easily be interpreted as I want Alex Gianturco killed to the death and his family too. Well, that depends.
Firstly, since you didn't mention his family in your initial "I want to kill Mittani" statement it could not be easily interpreted as wanting his family killed...if at all.
Secondly, it's a question of context. If you were playing the game at the time, then it could be implied that you mean to "kill Mittani" in the context of the game, i.e. gank him. If you were, say, at the Starbucks around the corner from his house and you said "I want to kill Mittani" I'd wager the barista would probably call the police.
Once again, it's ambiguous. Any speculating on his intended meaning is pointless and irrelevant, because it's impossible for us to know for certain. |
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Posted - 2012.03.28 15:52:00 -
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Neu Newt wrote:I'm suprised that no one in the 184 some odd pages has pointed this out.
So, unlike the news articles and the spaceship lawyers that have posted up to this point, I actually watched the live stream. Anyone saying this was streamed to thousands I have to ask, how was a frozen image of the slide of the first wormhole guy's presentation about having too much isk for over an hour?
I was hitting refresh, opening in a new browser, and several other methods to re-update the feed and it was stuck on that screen for at least 1 hour 30 minutes. Everyone in jabber I was talking to said the feed was also frozen, and everyone on Facebook under the stream echo'ed this, even HD users.
So how was this broadcasted live? I had to wait 2-3 days later for ccp to post it on youtube to see it. They didn't feel it was worth censoring.
witch-hunt much?
I voted for a bastard on the CSM. As did the 10,058 other people who voted for The Mittani. While the presentation was not funny, CCP if anyone should decide what to do. I see nothing wrong with whats happened, and it's sad The Mittani's enemies tried to make a big spectacle of it and continue to do so, but he's the best thing for the eve players we have, and while I know he personally wants to step down because he feels bad, I hope he realizes he will let over 10k people down by not representing him. That's right. Stay in for us, because we know where YOU stand. Think of the players.
It froze on the repeat. The original stream was very much intact (I and many other people watched it, and posted about the incident in the little Facebook thingy.
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Blatant Forum Alt wrote:Amity Lane wrote: For what it's worth, there was quite a bit of chat about it when it first happened in the E-UNI chat channel and in the Facebook posting thing underneath the stream.
Clearly the major public outcry wasn't so expedient, but then again I'm sure there were a lot of people who weren't watching the stream. Making any kind of assumption based on the timeframe when outcry started to accelerate (or that it's solely because it came after CSM election results were announced) is post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
This is one of the reasons why this thread is so pathetic. There are probably half a dozen genuinely concerned people posting, but most of the 'crucify mittens' squad are just joining the witchunt to get mittens banned, irrespective of what he has actually done, simply because he is mittens, and he won the election so convincingly, leaving a fair few people with major butthurt. I'm confused. Did you mean to reply to another post and quote mine by mistake?
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The Wis wrote:OK.. I really do not know what to say. I am at a loss for words with all that is going on.
I guess I should say that this is not about someone alt in eve. This is not about someone losing isks they worked for. This is not about someone losing a machanaw in the game. This is not something I started. I was really shocked to see the video monday night when I finaly had time.
This is all really about a person that is over joyed in making some one hurt as much as they can in real life not in game. Going by his power point I have to say he thought about it long before getting drunk. If thowing my name out there was something he planed to do or not that I can not say, and we will never know for sure. But when reflect the way he talked about my mail. I am sure that was an option he was holding on to and tossing up becouse he was really enjoying tomenting someone.
I am sorry this is not the alt in the game that is talk but the person playing the alt.
There are allot of people out there that have real life problems, but they are warned when they join Eve. Whats said and done in the game doesn't bother me, its all part of Eve.
To me this **** got real and hurt full when I watched a video where a complete stranger urged other complete strangers to try make me kill myself.
The Wis Your post is appreciated, The Wis. It takes real constitution to do something like this, and I'm sure many are interested in hearing your side of the story. |
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
You could also argue this guy would still be mining if the Mittani didn't decided to show his eve mail to thousands of people and then further mock and humiliate him
Notice that none of them said a thing. This only kicked off a few days later when Mitani won the chairmanship. Funny timing that. No this is entirely the falt of the mob trying to get mitani booted out of the CSM however they can. Linking this again, for great justice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc
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Xython wrote:Aryndel Samson wrote:RougeOperator wrote:Yup after seeing the Response of the Goons and Alts and pets.
Ban Alex from the game is the minimum now.
From just step down from CSM to Ban.
They should ban you for spelling Rogue wrong in your name you uneducated mongoloid. To be fair, he's supposedly using an alternate rename of "Red Operator". It's just an unfortunate coincidence that this also happens to be a term for makeup. He could also simply be someone who operated machinery at Ford's Rouge facility:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rouge
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